the economy, the economy. >> i think president obama is talking about something else that's bigger, leadership. mitt romney hasn't been talking about leadership. the thing that happens in these debates is do they give us a moment, do they give us one particular moment where we know that the argument for this candidate is working or the argument against this candidate is working. there were big moments over the last 40-50 years of televised debates. john kennedy and richard nixon how nixon loft because he didn't wear make up and looked like he didn't shave. they thought he was dark and smarmy. turns out they were right, he was. >> whether was the al gore sigh, over and over again. [ sighs ] >> exactly. before that debate, al gore was five points ahead of george burke, after the sigh, he stalled out and george bush still lost that election, but he closed in close enough for the supreme court to make the call at home plate. but, my favorite, the absolute best debate moment of all lloyd benson, 1988 versus dan quayle. >> i have as much experience in the congress as jack kennedy did when